A: The creepy basement from D&D

[roxybisquaint]

Q: What do Weaver, Derek & Andy Goode have in common?

"Sleep is the perfect cover. Your mind's still active but you don't remember a thing."

Before actually seeing Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep, I was sure the whole sleep clinic thing was going to be a Skynet research facility messing with people's brains during sleep and it would eventually lead to whatever happened to Derek in the creepy basement. Obviously the episode didn't turn out that way and the sleep clinic itself was just a dream. But that line Sarah says when she's freaking out in that room in the basement of the sleep clinic is, I think, still a hint at what happened to Derek.



When Derek was taken down to the creepy basement in the flashbacks in Dungeons & Dragons, I think he was drugged into a sleep state and the liquid metal (Weaver) extracted information from him and implanted information in him.

About a year ago, I came up with a theory that Wisher had been brainwashed into believing he invented Skynet and was also implanted with the urge to confess it to Derek. It's a long and convoluted theory, but I'm still holding onto bits and pieces of it because I'm sure I've got some things right. The basic idea behind part of the theory is that Andy wasn't the creator of Skynet, but a hindrance to it (Andy wanted to understand his AI, not just rush the advancement of it). So Skynet wanted him removed from the equation to accelerate its development.

The reason my theory was so thin is because it hinged on Andy being brainwashed to confess to Derek and Derek being brainwashed to want to do something about it. But for any of that to work, Skynet would have had to know that Derek would get sent back in time (and how could it know that?).

Now, however, it's looking a little more possible. With what we've seen of 2027, future!John may not even be around (maybe even dead) and Cameron, who John confided in, seems to be running things. That means she may have been the one to send Derek back. We also now know there's liquid metal in 2027 (that I'm quite sure is Weaver) that Cameron has attempted to form an alliance with. Maybe they eventually meet and Weaver learns enough info that she formulates the whole plot for Derek to kill Andy. Maybe Weaver convinces Cameron to send Derek back or maybe Weaver just finds out Cameron is going to send Derek back.

I'm still not quite sure how it all fits together, but I feel certain that what happened to Derek (and Wisher) in the creepy basement involved sleep-induced brainwashing techniques that resulted in Wisher confessing to Derek and Derek going back in time to kill Andy. And I'm thinking Weaver was behind it all. In present time, Weaver seems to be accelerating the development of Skynet and she was able to do that because she acquired Andy's Turk to develop as she saw fit. It's all too much of a coincidence.

Comments

[johnnypate.livejournal.com]

It must be your medication Roxy. I checked it out right now. It's as clear as day - in hindsight - watching the scene at the end of D&D what Derek was thinking. I'm bemused that you can't see it.

Derek: `...We can fix all the mistakes.'
Soldier: `How are we gonna do that? Reece, how are we gonna do that?'
Reece looks across at Billy Wisher.
...
The very last scene in D&D is Derek assassinating Andy.

You are paddling way deep in that well-known river in Egypt if you put another interpretation on it.

[roxybisquaint.livejournal.com]

Heh. Well, you say clear as day. I still say it's implied, but left with enough ambiguity that it's proof of nothing. Yes, Derek had every intention of going back and killing Andy Goode, but I don't think it's clear as day at all that either future!John told Derek to do it or that Wisher himself told Derek to do it. I think Derek kept that bit of info about Andy to himself and killing Andy was his own private plan. I could be totally wrong and you could be totally right, of course, but I flat out disagree that we have proof either way about it.

[johnnypate.livejournal.com]

The evidence is, indeed, entirely circumstantial.

I just remembered another loose end we need a theory for: who was the assassin on the motorcycle in "Earthlings Welcome Here?"

[roxybisquaint.livejournal.com]

I feel sure the biker assassin was Winston. Here's why and how:

Winston was head of security for for Kaliba's metal factory where Alan Park had worked. Alan had put his things in storage and then gone into hiding. Odd that someone was just waiting there for Alan to show up at the storage facility wasn't it? Just like Winston waiting at Western Iron & Metal when Sarah showed up there.

I think it plays into the To The Lighthouse theory I posted (http://roxybisquaint.livejournal.com/59377.html). Just like I think Kaliba implanted Sarah with a tracking chip, I think they did the same to Alan and the other people he worked with. But that tracking device had a limited range and until Alan came back into town to go to the storage facility (he hadn't been back to there since he went into hiding), they couldn't find him. As soon as he was in range, they picked up the trail and Winston was waiting to take a shot when Alan came out of the storage unit.

We already know Kaliba was extremely secretive about their operations. They were running Desert Heat & Air as a front, they had the entire company town monitored with surveillane cameras. So I don't think it's too much of a leap to believe Alan and his coworkers, who were working on the actual development side of things, would have been monitored even more closely than the regular warehouse workers.

Winston knew how Sarah found Desert Heat & Air. When he had her kidnapped in Some Must Watch, he said:

"I wouldn't expect anything less from the girl who used a cross-dresser and a hypnotherapist to find us."

Alan Park had been successfully hiding as Eileen up until the point they went to the storage unit, so I think a tracking device explains it all. That's how Winston found Alan there (and saw Sarah for the first time) and how he found and killed Alan at the hypnotherapist — he picked up the trail again when entered town to go to the hypno-therapist (and would've seen Sarah again, dropping off Alan).

[johnnypate.livejournal.com]

It's a good theory. Maybe we'll find out in "To the Lighthouse." According to your theory the Derek-Cameron face-off somehow ends with them going to find Sarah, John, and Charley and getting mixed up in some kind of Kaliba assault on that location.

[roxybisquaint.livejournal.com]

One more bit of speculation.

I think the Derek-Cameron face-off probably happens in the weapons storage unit before any of the Kaliba craziness begins. Then later, Cameron helps Sarah get away from Kaliba people/machines and Sarah heads off to Charley's to check on John and Cameron heads off to find Derek. But Cameron ends up electrocuted and loses Derek's trail. That would leave Derek in the hands of Kaliba to get interrogated and I bet that would lead to flashbacks of... creepy basement from D&D!

I think that concludes all my spec ;)

[johnnypate.livejournal.com]

I think you're stretching a bit there Roxy but we'll know shortly... though since the title is a reference to Virginia Woolf's novel, it may be we'll need to keep our wits about us figuring out what is really going on. It's possible Derek and Cameron vs Sarah, John and Charley form some kind of parallel storylines. Even without Jesse in the picture, there are multiple agendas playing out.

[roxybisquaint.livejournal.com]

Me, stretching? LOL. Wouldn't be the first time. :P

[johnnypate.livejournal.com]

After action report: three parallel tracks - John + Charlie, Sarah, Derek + Cameron. Did Cameron make oblique reference to "Dungeons and Dragons" in her comment re Derek under torture?

I reckon Sarah's crazy contributed to Charlie's death - if Cameron and Derek had been around he would have stood a much greater chance of surviving. However, I think Charlie wanted to die right there and go out fighting.

Cyberdyne! So were those goons - they weren't Terminators, they were human - just hired mercs or is the Cyberdyne AI owned (well, notionally anyway) by Uncle Sam and those men being Government Agents of some sort?

We saw the three dots anyhow.

(Summer/Cameron gets shinier every time she's on the screen. I wonder if Derek will let Cameron wear Jesse's jacket? Her current one has bullet holes now.)

[roxybisquaint.livejournal.com]

How can you pin Charley's death on Sarah when she had no clue she had a tracking device planted in her? She ditched Cam and Derek because she didn't trust them (and I think rightfully so) and she thought she might be about to get a death sentence form the doctor. So she took a temporary detour to let John reconnect with Charley. It was a human moment and didn't have any obvious risk.

I suspect all those Kaliba goons are greys.

[johnnypate.livejournal.com]

See Roxy, this is why you couldn't be in charge. They're being chased by killer robots from the future. Has nobody got that bit yet?! You take the best allies you can in that kind and she's not going to get any better.

The Greys hypothesis is amusing but, sadly, unsupported by the facts.

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

*slips quietly in*

This is what I think about that scene, too. And I need to stop reading now, because there are too many spoilers for me in the comments.

*slips quietly back out*

[roxybisquaint.livejournal.com]

Hee. Yeah be careful around here until you're all caught up!