John Henry, where's your trousers?

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You guys already know that I don't think John Henry time-jumped. I think he used Cameron's chip (or repaired and used the water cooler terminator's chip) and left Zeira Corp to go find his AI brother in present day. This post isn't really about that theory, though. This time, I'm just analyzing the situation.

"You can't bring anything through when you come—not weapons, not clothing, nothing."

If John Henry did jump, where is his clothing? It should've been in a pile on the floor, but it wasn't. Clothing doesn't go through, so it either gets disintegrated by the time bubble or left behind by the time bubble. Since Cameron's clothed body was sitting there in the chair (and the chair and table were there), we can rule out disintegration. She was clearly within the sphere of the time bubble when Weaver and John left, so she would have been within the sphere when John Henry left too. Yet Cameron's body was clothed and intact and John Henry's clothes were not there.

Was that a hint that he didn't actually jump ahead or was it just a gaff?

Comments

[gega-cai.livejournal.com]

Okay, I'm glad you bring this up because I think it's a serious gaff or ~issue with the series vs what is explained and shown in T1 and T2.

If I remember correctly, the pilot shows Cam, John, and Sarah go through time with clothes, but somehow, they arrive in the future naked. As if time travel ripped/burned their clothes. I don't get this or why they did it this way.

However, B2R time travel was identical to the pilot. John and Weaver went through with clothes and appear in the future without clothes like in the pilot.

The same could be said if John Henry did too, his clothes would not be lying around after his jump.

[intrepid01.livejournal.com]

Schmacky brought this up month's ago, a podcast worthy topic I thought.

Either what isn't living tissue is left behind, or is destroyed by the process.
If left behind, JH clothes should be on the floor, If destroyed, then there should be a crater where the table, chair and Cameron was.
I think it was a Gaff, but even gaffs can become part of the mythology; and it was never established why JH would even want to go to the future because, A, with access to Cameron chip he'd know what it's like and, B, he would be at a severe disadvantage in such a hostile environment.

I think JH “did” go to the future, but the evidence and the reasoning says he didn't!

[gega-cai.livejournal.com]

Okay, I'm spamming you now but maybe John Henry kicked his clothes in the TDE to time travel to the future and walked out nekkid. :P

[the-narration.livejournal.com]

The implication I always got was that non-living material was destroyed, not that it was left behind. Unfortunately, I don't think that we've ever really gotten to see what was left behind after a time-jump before.

But yeah, by that logic, shouldn't Cameron and the Turk machine have been destroyed when John and Weaver jumped forward? Unless Cameron's organic components still counted, in which case she would have gone with them. For that matter, I can't recall what we can see of the basement room after they jumped, but it seemed rather wreaked.

(If they'd just put the time machine far enough away from John Henry's table to not engulf all this other stuff, then they could have avoided this problem.)

I'm all for the "John Henry didn't go to the future" theory, if only because him going to the future is the worst move he could make: as I've said before, it makes no sense for John Henry to face Kaliba/Skynet in the future where its processing power will have increased by several orders of magnitude and it controls armies of Terminators and HKs that can act openly, instead of in the present where they're more even matched in processor speed and it has only a small force of Terminators and human mercenaries that must act covertly.

[chaila43.livejournal.com]

I want to carry that icon around in my pocket! Aww!

[phantomwriter05.livejournal.com]

Sarah, Elison, and John Henry/Cameron being led down the hall by watercooler kaliba guys. Weaver sees a shadow and opens fire at John who was about to round a corner.

Sarah: (Knowing who it is) John!! John it's a TRAP!

Kaliba guys try to pull Sarah away but she holds onto the door frame.

Sarah: gurr ... John it's a trap!!

LOL sorry first thing that comes to mind with your post.

will think of something better later.

PS. JH's brother: Sarah has taught you well Young Connor, but your not a Hero yet.

*Stops himself*

Time Travel Conundra

[tackdriver56.livejournal.com]

If things on the sending end got burned away, there should have been a divot in the floor, too. I like your reasoning: no clothing, no time travel.

Weaver should have known whether the equipment was activated, from the electric meter, if not a usage log, though I concede that a usage log would compromise the TDE as an escape route.

Assuming Weaver knew that John Henry didn't jump, we can assume that Weaver jumped Connor past JDay by intentional deception. But why?
We also saw that John Henry did not prevent JDay. Is he destroyed or is he part of the problem?