I see what you mean about John but I didn't feel that way because I've been thinking, "He must be smarter than this if he's all that in the future!" so it was a relief for me that he was and had simply been playing his cards close to his chest. I think (hopefully) that re-watching S2 in hindsight after it all ends it'll look a bit more like John was suspicious. The party incident might look different with hindsight, for instance. I thought Riley was off from the first moment she approached but then I'm massively paranoid with new people at the best of times. Logically he formed his opinion some time before "Ourselves Alone" and it was not a spontaneous outburst, from what we now know. Further, we may give him some credit and assume he was cautious about broaching the subject due to Riley's suicide attempt.
Derek though, 'fraid I don't follow you there at all. Serendipitously I just emailed a pal thusly:
"One of the reasons I like Derek is he reminds me of some the real soldiers I met when I played at it - including some of the SAS. I dunno how BAG nails it so well. He's not far off a genuine 1000yd Stare at times. The Glaubot will have 'im tho."
(I was in Britain's Territorial Army, somewhat akin to your National Guard, for about 10 years during the Cold War and because I was in Military Intelligence I got to hang out with some rather interesting people and doing interesting things, at times.)
Nope, I'm gonna have to go with you don't get where Derek is coming from. Derek did not make a character leap, that's Derek all along - a battle-hardened soldier with a good heart, as Jesse remarked. (We first saw Derek's softer side when he took John for ice cream in the park. And remember, he's Kyle's big bro.)
I presume you still think he was wrong to kill Andy Goode when, in fact, Sarah should have done it (or at least let Cameron off the leash). Sarah is the one who's not getting it and is back-sliding.
They're fighting a guerilla war against a materially (and presumably numerically) superior foe. You can't do that without innocent people getting killed. Derek doesn't have to like it but he will do it. John is maybe smart enough to get it but Sarah could turn turn out to be a serious liability if she doesn't pay more attention to her testosterone. This is a war against genocide, people - outcomes matter. The job has to get done or everybody dies.
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Re: "Today is the Day 1 & 2" TSCC
on 2009-03-22 07:29 pm (UTC)Derek though, 'fraid I don't follow you there at all. Serendipitously I just emailed a pal thusly: (I was in Britain's Territorial Army, somewhat akin to your National Guard, for about 10 years during the Cold War and because I was in Military Intelligence I got to hang out with some rather interesting people and doing interesting things, at times.)
Nope, I'm gonna have to go with you don't get where Derek is coming from. Derek did not make a character leap, that's Derek all along - a battle-hardened soldier with a good heart, as Jesse remarked. (We first saw Derek's softer side when he took John for ice cream in the park. And remember, he's Kyle's big bro.)
I presume you still think he was wrong to kill Andy Goode when, in fact, Sarah should have done it (or at least let Cameron off the leash). Sarah is the one who's not getting it and is back-sliding.
They're fighting a guerilla war against a materially (and presumably numerically) superior foe. You can't do that without innocent people getting killed. Derek doesn't have to like it but he will do it. John is maybe smart enough to get it but Sarah could turn turn out to be a serious liability if she doesn't pay more attention to her testosterone. This is a war against genocide, people - outcomes matter. The job has to get done or everybody dies.