I like your theory Roxy, it's a good one. The reservations I have about it conceptual from the POV of moving the plot and characters forward (which would be the writer's mistake, not yours).
Firstly, a theory of mine for you to think about:
The Terminators - both in general but anyway in the case of Weaverbot T100x series, should logically be networked wirelessly in some way, unless they've been sent back in the past and have to work autonomously, obviously. So even if it wasn't the actual Weaverbot liquid metal in the box that shouldn't actually matter from the POV of knowledge the players have in the situations that arise. The Weaverbots are a very interesting case actually, much closer to being at the status of something genuinely alive, IMHO. (I wonder if JF made a mistake in not making Cameron a T100x liquid metal Terminator, what say you?)
Bear in mind that future events are scenarios and not actual in Sarah's timeline. The talk between Jesse and Derek in "Today is the Day (2)" actually makes that crystal clear.
There is some interesting symmetry in the idea that humans can be programmed and will have to break their programming. It could turn out, for instance, that Cameron follows that kind of journey from the other side: Cameron breaking her programming to become human, Derek breaking his programming to regain his humanity.
The problem I see with it is, if humans can be programmed by Terminators then the only difference between them and Terminators is that they break more easily and you can't build a new one. This really isn't a satisfactory difference, both in terms of philosophy and emotional payoff of the characters and their development, IMHO.
There is a particular flaw in your logic here, in that if Weaverbot wanted the Turk to fix for herself then Billy Wisher / Andy Goode and killing him is pretty much irrelevant once Weaverbot gets the Turk. Your elaborate Derek / Wisher programming scenario appears to be logically unnecessary for this particular purpose. The Weaverbot just has to get hold of a "good enough" Turk. Having Derek back as a loose canon to kill Andy is a positive disadvantage in that case.
Yes, coincidences only happen in real life. Fiction has to make sense. Comments over at the official Terminator blog suggest the writers have plotted this out in the considerable long term in broad brush ways. I'm sure they have planted clues, at least starting towards the end of S1 after they found their feet.
I think you're on the right lines here, definitely. A slightly simpler explanation, which I'd find more satisfactory, is that the Terminators are primarily extracting information so's they can make Cameron-style infiltration units. "Alison From Palmdale" hinted at a much deeper level of modeling of a human personality than would be expected from a generalised case. It could mean that, for instance, a Derek or Billy Wisher Cameron-class Terminator could pop up. It could certainly mean the Weaverbot (and Cameron) may have considerably more information than they currently reveal. However, knowledge of a future scenario is of limited value when you're back in the past because, "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
Simplifying your theory as I suggest then ties together D&D and AFP and leaves Derek as an autonomous agent - which I would think kind of needs to be the point of humans vs machines.
What remains to be seen is what will be revealed in the next 3 episodes and if that gives any hints of a Season 3 or attempts to reach clean slate status.
(BTW, a comment on the TSCC official blog from a guy who has Blu-ray claims you can see Derek crying as he watches Cameron dance in "The Demon Hand." She did save his life once, after all. I'm hoping to have a marathon Blu-ray session with co-conspirators when S2 Blu-ray is available in the UK.)
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on 2009-03-25 11:50 am (UTC)Firstly, a theory of mine for you to think about:
The Terminators - both in general but anyway in the case of Weaverbot T100x series, should logically be networked wirelessly in some way, unless they've been sent back in the past and have to work autonomously, obviously. So even if it wasn't the actual Weaverbot liquid metal in the box that shouldn't actually matter from the POV of knowledge the players have in the situations that arise. The Weaverbots are a very interesting case actually, much closer to being at the status of something genuinely alive, IMHO. (I wonder if JF made a mistake in not making Cameron a T100x liquid metal Terminator, what say you?)
Bear in mind that future events are scenarios and not actual in Sarah's timeline. The talk between Jesse and Derek in "Today is the Day (2)" actually makes that crystal clear.
There is some interesting symmetry in the idea that humans can be programmed and will have to break their programming. It could turn out, for instance, that Cameron follows that kind of journey from the other side: Cameron breaking her programming to become human, Derek breaking his programming to regain his humanity.
The problem I see with it is, if humans can be programmed by Terminators then the only difference between them and Terminators is that they break more easily and you can't build a new one. This really isn't a satisfactory difference, both in terms of philosophy and emotional payoff of the characters and their development, IMHO.
There is a particular flaw in your logic here, in that if Weaverbot wanted the Turk to fix for herself then Billy Wisher / Andy Goode and killing him is pretty much irrelevant once Weaverbot gets the Turk. Your elaborate Derek / Wisher programming scenario appears to be logically unnecessary for this particular purpose. The Weaverbot just has to get hold of a "good enough" Turk. Having Derek back as a loose canon to kill Andy is a positive disadvantage in that case.
Yes, coincidences only happen in real life. Fiction has to make sense. Comments over at the official Terminator blog suggest the writers have plotted this out in the considerable long term in broad brush ways. I'm sure they have planted clues, at least starting towards the end of S1 after they found their feet.
I think you're on the right lines here, definitely. A slightly simpler explanation, which I'd find more satisfactory, is that the Terminators are primarily extracting information so's they can make Cameron-style infiltration units. "Alison From Palmdale" hinted at a much deeper level of modeling of a human personality than would be expected from a generalised case. It could mean that, for instance, a Derek or Billy Wisher Cameron-class Terminator could pop up. It could certainly mean the Weaverbot (and Cameron) may have considerably more information than they currently reveal. However, knowledge of a future scenario is of limited value when you're back in the past because, "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
Simplifying your theory as I suggest then ties together D&D and AFP and leaves Derek as an autonomous agent - which I would think kind of needs to be the point of humans vs machines.
What remains to be seen is what will be revealed in the next 3 episodes and if that gives any hints of a Season 3 or attempts to reach clean slate status.
(BTW, a comment on the TSCC official blog from a guy who has Blu-ray claims you can see Derek crying as he watches Cameron dance in "The Demon Hand." She did save his life once, after all. I'm hoping to have a marathon Blu-ray session with co-conspirators when S2 Blu-ray is available in the UK.)