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roxybisquaint) wrote2010-01-18 06:44 am
roxybisquaint) wrote2010-01-18 06:44 am
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I like my TSCC scrambled, with a side of crazy
Theory, glorious theory!
John Henry's "brother" tried to kill him and also wants Savannah dead. Those are two good reasons for John Henry to want to stop him. So why jump to the future to destroy the AI that's after him and Savannah in the present? Well, I don't think he did. I think John Henry is still in 2009 and after finding out Kaliba's location from the water cooler terminator's chip, he went after him.
Weaver seemed certain he'd jumped to the future, so I'll assume John Henry fooled her by making it look like he'd jumped. He could've messed with the display screen or maybe even sent an empty time bubble ahead to make it more convincing. She had told John Henry that Savannah's survival depended on his but his survival didn't depend on hers. That implies that Weaver was really only concerned about protecting John Henry and I think we can be sure John Henry would want to try to protect Savannah.
If Weaver knew he'd gone off to confront his brother, she'd probably find him and bring him back. She'd already asked Murch about packing everything up, so John Henry knew she was prepared to move him to keep him safe (A "mother" moving her "son" to keep him safe seems rather familiar, doesn't it?). But he didn't want to run away, didn't want to hide and didn't want to leave Savannah at risk. So even though he wasn't yet prepared to fight and maybe didn't know what kind of situation he'd be heading into, John Henry faked-out Weaver. I believe he walked out of Zeira Corp to go have a "computer vs computer" showdown with his Kaliba brother — who meant him harm and meant Savannah harm.
If it doesn't fit, you must... use a different chip
Cameron's chip would not have fit John Henry's port. She's a different model and uses a different size/shape chip than Cromartie (now John Henry) did. I think we all just sort of rolled our eyes at that and figured we had to accept that he made it work somehow. But maybe he didn't. I figure we've got two other chip possibilities: water cooler terminator's and Vick's. We really have no idea what happened to either one. Water cooler terminator's chip was damaged, so that seems unlikely. I'm not counting it out, though. John Henry might have some mad chip repair skillz! Of course, if his chip skills were that good, he could probably make Cam's chip work for him and I don't like that idea.
Last we saw Vick's chip, it was working fine. I can't imagine John would've given it back to Cameron after he mucked around with it, but she could've pocketed it again at some point. I certainly don't ever recall seeing it destroyed. Cameron sure seemed intrigued with Vick's chip when she first pulled it. Maybe she actually started plotting this back then? Or maybe as far back as the "will you join us?" circa 2027. Either way, she held onto that chip, hid that chip and never gave a valid explanation as to why (if it was just to get info, then why keep it a secret?).
If John Henry didn't jump to the future, then neither did Cameron's chip. And if he didn't even use her chip, it's still somewhere in that room. I'm going to say it's in her pocket (that she told JH to put it there). Remember that super cute greeting between Cameron and John Henry? I'm thinking they had some friendly chit-chat and compared notes... about John, about Savannah, about Sarah, Weaver and Kaliba. And they devised a plot. But why would Cameron want John to jump ahead?
"I'll stop it."
You may recall that I was not so fond of Born to Run. I could not (and still don't) accept Sarah's lack of fight over John jumping away. So I've had to grab onto the notion that she figured he could be free — his fate could be changed — if she let him go and she stopped j-day. He'd land in a normal world and finally be able to live a normal life. In short, he'd be happy... and safe. Since Sarah and Cameron had a common purpose (protect John), I see no reason why Cameron couldn't have come to the same conclusion — that the best way to keep John safe was to send him ahead with the belief that he'd be safe when he arrived.
It seems to me that Cameron's manipulations were intended to get John emotionally attached to her and to convince Sarah that John was better off without her (Sarah). And I think she succeeded on both counts. But her mission is only partially completed. With John out of the way, she and Sarah ("you're the best fighter... the best") can get down to business stopping Kaliba, preventing j-day and ensuring John's safety.
You all put back together, Tin man?
Things would be crazy right after the time bubble left. The whole freaking building may be about to come down on them and police and the fire department are no doubt on their way. Sarah needs to get the hell out of there. That fuckhead Ellison would probably be sensible and try to rush her out. But I'm thinking that after a moment of being stunned, Sarah would come to her senses, grab the Turk and also want to take Cameron's body (can't leave an endo behind to be found). That's when she'll find Cameron's chip. Since it's her only hope for finding out what the hell is going on, she'll put it back in (also Cam walking herself out is a hell of a lot easier than having to be carried).
The metal, the merrier!
John Connor took off to the future with Weaver and John Henry stayed in the present where Sarah is. Allison is with John in the future; Cameron is with John Henry in the past. John is going to hang with the humans and maybe the lessons his mom taught him will start to sink in (people matter, machines don't feel things and don't know love). Meanwhile, Sarah is going to find herself working closely with two machines (Cameron and John Henry) which will maybe help her start to understand her son a little better.
Isn't it interesting that John's new name was going to be Henry?
John Henry's "brother" tried to kill him and also wants Savannah dead. Those are two good reasons for John Henry to want to stop him. So why jump to the future to destroy the AI that's after him and Savannah in the present? Well, I don't think he did. I think John Henry is still in 2009 and after finding out Kaliba's location from the water cooler terminator's chip, he went after him.
Weaver seemed certain he'd jumped to the future, so I'll assume John Henry fooled her by making it look like he'd jumped. He could've messed with the display screen or maybe even sent an empty time bubble ahead to make it more convincing. She had told John Henry that Savannah's survival depended on his but his survival didn't depend on hers. That implies that Weaver was really only concerned about protecting John Henry and I think we can be sure John Henry would want to try to protect Savannah.
If Weaver knew he'd gone off to confront his brother, she'd probably find him and bring him back. She'd already asked Murch about packing everything up, so John Henry knew she was prepared to move him to keep him safe (A "mother" moving her "son" to keep him safe seems rather familiar, doesn't it?). But he didn't want to run away, didn't want to hide and didn't want to leave Savannah at risk. So even though he wasn't yet prepared to fight and maybe didn't know what kind of situation he'd be heading into, John Henry faked-out Weaver. I believe he walked out of Zeira Corp to go have a "computer vs computer" showdown with his Kaliba brother — who meant him harm and meant Savannah harm.
If it doesn't fit, you must... use a different chip
Cameron's chip would not have fit John Henry's port. She's a different model and uses a different size/shape chip than Cromartie (now John Henry) did. I think we all just sort of rolled our eyes at that and figured we had to accept that he made it work somehow. But maybe he didn't. I figure we've got two other chip possibilities: water cooler terminator's and Vick's. We really have no idea what happened to either one. Water cooler terminator's chip was damaged, so that seems unlikely. I'm not counting it out, though. John Henry might have some mad chip repair skillz! Of course, if his chip skills were that good, he could probably make Cam's chip work for him and I don't like that idea.
Last we saw Vick's chip, it was working fine. I can't imagine John would've given it back to Cameron after he mucked around with it, but she could've pocketed it again at some point. I certainly don't ever recall seeing it destroyed. Cameron sure seemed intrigued with Vick's chip when she first pulled it. Maybe she actually started plotting this back then? Or maybe as far back as the "will you join us?" circa 2027. Either way, she held onto that chip, hid that chip and never gave a valid explanation as to why (if it was just to get info, then why keep it a secret?).
If John Henry didn't jump to the future, then neither did Cameron's chip. And if he didn't even use her chip, it's still somewhere in that room. I'm going to say it's in her pocket (that she told JH to put it there). Remember that super cute greeting between Cameron and John Henry? I'm thinking they had some friendly chit-chat and compared notes... about John, about Savannah, about Sarah, Weaver and Kaliba. And they devised a plot. But why would Cameron want John to jump ahead?
"I'll stop it."
You may recall that I was not so fond of Born to Run. I could not (and still don't) accept Sarah's lack of fight over John jumping away. So I've had to grab onto the notion that she figured he could be free — his fate could be changed — if she let him go and she stopped j-day. He'd land in a normal world and finally be able to live a normal life. In short, he'd be happy... and safe. Since Sarah and Cameron had a common purpose (protect John), I see no reason why Cameron couldn't have come to the same conclusion — that the best way to keep John safe was to send him ahead with the belief that he'd be safe when he arrived.
It seems to me that Cameron's manipulations were intended to get John emotionally attached to her and to convince Sarah that John was better off without her (Sarah). And I think she succeeded on both counts. But her mission is only partially completed. With John out of the way, she and Sarah ("you're the best fighter... the best") can get down to business stopping Kaliba, preventing j-day and ensuring John's safety.
You all put back together, Tin man?
Things would be crazy right after the time bubble left. The whole freaking building may be about to come down on them and police and the fire department are no doubt on their way. Sarah needs to get the hell out of there. That fuckhead Ellison would probably be sensible and try to rush her out. But I'm thinking that after a moment of being stunned, Sarah would come to her senses, grab the Turk and also want to take Cameron's body (can't leave an endo behind to be found). That's when she'll find Cameron's chip. Since it's her only hope for finding out what the hell is going on, she'll put it back in (also Cam walking herself out is a hell of a lot easier than having to be carried).
The metal, the merrier!
John Connor took off to the future with Weaver and John Henry stayed in the present where Sarah is. Allison is with John in the future; Cameron is with John Henry in the past. John is going to hang with the humans and maybe the lessons his mom taught him will start to sink in (people matter, machines don't feel things and don't know love). Meanwhile, Sarah is going to find herself working closely with two machines (Cameron and John Henry) which will maybe help her start to understand her son a little better.
Isn't it interesting that John's new name was going to be Henry?
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The idea of Cameron being remade is too convoluted. If Cameron's chip is in JH's head, then her body is toast in present day. There's just no way Sarah's going to tuck that way for safe keeping. So that means she'd needs a new body. The only way to get a Cameron-looking body is for Allison's fate to play out the same way as it did in the other future (and for John to somehow nab her and yank her chip after he's got Cam's original chip). I think that would be a really lame story.
What could be an interesting story (going with the idea that Cam chip is in JH's head in the future) is John having to actually destroy the new Cameron body in order to save Kyle or something. But I'm still not keen at all on Cam chip being in the future via time jump.
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To play devil's advocate...
For the longest time, I was dead set that Sarah would burn Cameron no matter what... but the justification for destroying parts was always so that it couldn't be seized and reverse engineered. In defense of the idea of keeping Cam's old body around, Water Cooler Termi was proof that Kaliba already has terminators on hand, so them seizing Cameron would just be excess stock.
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True, but I'm quite sure Sarah has every intention of blowing up Kaliba and any other machines they've got. The concern would be an unknown party getting their hands on Cameron's body and doing exactly what Weaver did. Of course, they'd still need a processor, but why give anyone a head start on the technology of doom?
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Lame it may be, but I'd put money on them going with that. Not sure about the whole chip-yanking, but definitely using Allison's body as a new Cameron. Didn't we have spoilers to imply that John would have to make a choice between Allison and Cameron (and would chose Cameron?) Which flies in the face of all hopes that he might learn the "humans matter" lesson so beloved of his mother.
They can reinvent Derek, cos they bottled writing any kind of redemption for him and it was easier to just wipe that slate clean. With Cameron - and her fan popularity - creating a whole new Cameron Mark 2.0 would be a hell of a risk, so I could see Allison being sacrificed to become the machine that then has Cam's chip put back into it, thus resurrecting Cameron Mark 1.0. and voila, instant reset.
Sarah might well destroy the Cam body she's left with, think that that's one problem solved only for her kid to jump back with Cameron by his side. "Hey mom, look what I made!" Yeah, I could definitely see John doing that!
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Yeah but even if that's true, with time travel shenanigans we can all have our cake and eat it too...
Let's say Cameron (body and chip) is still in 2009 and spends the next 18 years as Sarah's loyal companion, fighting Skynet babies (but failing to stop j-day). In 2027, they finally run into John. But by the time they find him, he's already been there a while, hanging out with Derek, Kyle and Allison. John's gotten to know Allison and he cares about her. What does he do? He makes a choice.
I'd completely hate that story, of course. I'm just throwing it out there as a simple example of how that spoiler could be true without precluding my theory.
They can reinvent Derek, cos they bottled writing any kind of redemption for him and it was easier to just wipe that slate clean.
Low rise motherfuckers.
I could see Allison being sacrificed to become the machine that then has Cam's chip put back into it, thus resurrecting Cameron Mark 1.0. and voila, instant reset.
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
That doesn't work no matter how it happens. The second John saw Allison, he knew exactly what happened in the previous timeline: she'd been nabbed by machines, taken to Skynet central, copied, killed and replaced by the machine he knew as Cameron. It's a different future now and Allison may be of no use to Skynet. But knowing all that, what kind of douchebag would John be if he didn't stay by her side every minute to make sure it doesn't happen again? He'd be such a big fucking douchebag that humanity might as line up for incineration right now.
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True dat. So the choice wouldn't necessarily be between Allison dying and Cameron's resurrection, it would be who he sticks by? That'd work...
L.O.L. Couldn't myself have better it said.
So you didn't like that idea then? *laughs*
Well, we all know he's a douchebag ;-) I was thinking more along the lines of ease of show-progression (because I'm not convinced they were planning on John being future-side for long) and that struck me as a dramatic but ultimately pretty quick way of getting Cameron back online and reset. But yeah, you make a lot of good points about the implications for John's character there. I was thinking that he wouldn't be complicit in it, more unable to stop it when it happened. Hmm, but then a choice implies he would be complicit... so I just blew a big ol' hole in that one, didn't I?! *sighs* back to the drawing board then...
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I wouldn't really put too much faith in any s3 spoilers Thomas hinted at. Remember the "leave, die, betray" spoiler from s2? That was totally his interpretation (well, not the die part, but what's to interpret for "die"?). In my view, Sarah didn't leave or betray. Cameron might've done either or both or neither. We don't know yet though.
So I pick and choose what to believe when it comes from him, such as Sarah being alive in the future. I don't even like our characters spending time in a post-j-day world, but if we have to be there for a little while, I'm a bit happier thinking about seeing Sarah as a post-apocalyptic badass :D