In that, the terminator and Kyle did not arrive simultaneously.
They arrived the same night. I don't know about simultaneously. They did the Terminator's arrival, killing of the punks, etc, first, but then they switch to Kyle landing in the alley and breaking into the department store. It's the same night. I suppose the case could be made that they did land simultaneously, but the events were shown out of order. Dunno. Hmm.
As to all the different timelines, the Terminator universe is nothing if not a total mindfuck (and BAD BAD BAD at math. God, in a fandom so dependent on dates, the people with the IP rights really need to pay more attention to their own details.) Personally, I don't know that the idea of linear time really works at all in the terminator universe. With the discovery of a way to jump to different places in time, it becomes fluid, concurrent rather than linear. If actions taken by someone decades in the future can affect present day, then from my point of view, the two timelines are happening simultaneously rather than in succession and aren't necessarily completely dependent on one another.
I think that made more sense in my head before I tried to write it out.
Personally, I like the idea of the multiverse, that every choice by every person (or terminator) creates a separate alternate reality and that all of those realities co-exist simultaneously. But that's just me ;P
And that brings us to Jesse. She and Derek clearly share some memories, but they also have different memories because the future was altered.
I'm still withholding judgment on Jesse at this point. Primarily because I think she's a liar. It's impossible to figure out if she came from Derek's future because I don't trust a single word that comes out of her mouth.
And on the same note, I'm still not convinced that there isn't a future where the now-11-year-old Derek meets Billy Wisher. Maybe Wisher is a terminator programmed to think he's the human formerly known as Andy Goode. (I don't find that scenario particularly likely, but I'm not counting anything out in this universe.)
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on 2008-11-30 11:19 pm (UTC)They arrived the same night. I don't know about simultaneously. They did the Terminator's arrival, killing of the punks, etc, first, but then they switch to Kyle landing in the alley and breaking into the department store. It's the same night. I suppose the case could be made that they did land simultaneously, but the events were shown out of order. Dunno. Hmm.
As to all the different timelines, the Terminator universe is nothing if not a total mindfuck (and BAD BAD BAD at math. God, in a fandom so dependent on dates, the people with the IP rights really need to pay more attention to their own details.) Personally, I don't know that the idea of linear time really works at all in the terminator universe. With the discovery of a way to jump to different places in time, it becomes fluid, concurrent rather than linear. If actions taken by someone decades in the future can affect present day, then from my point of view, the two timelines are happening simultaneously rather than in succession and aren't necessarily completely dependent on one another.
I think that made more sense in my head before I tried to write it out.
Personally, I like the idea of the multiverse, that every choice by every person (or terminator) creates a separate alternate reality and that all of those realities co-exist simultaneously. But that's just me ;P
And that brings us to Jesse. She and Derek clearly share some memories, but they also have different memories because the future was altered.
I'm still withholding judgment on Jesse at this point. Primarily because I think she's a liar. It's impossible to figure out if she came from Derek's future because I don't trust a single word that comes out of her mouth.
And on the same note, I'm still not convinced that there isn't a future where the now-11-year-old Derek meets Billy Wisher. Maybe Wisher is a terminator programmed to think he's the human formerly known as Andy Goode. (I don't find that scenario particularly likely, but I'm not counting anything out in this universe.)
Kuddos for all the mapping. You rock.