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Before I get into this, I need to reiterate how much I loathe where Fringe has already told us it's going and loathe even more where I think it's going. The whole *love will save the universe* thing is beyond bleh. But, I need to get my speculation out after watching tonight's episode (an episode that I thought was very cool).



I think when Olivia crossed over while in Walter's office, fauxlivia crossed into our universe. And that's where they've each remained since. So fauxlivia is actually from our universe and Olivia is actually from the alternate universe. That's why Peter fell for fauxlivia so hard and fast — she was the one he'd connected with as a child in our universe, the one he sat with in the white tulip patch.

I'm not sure yet what this means in terms of the love angle [point finger in mouth to signify nausea here]. I'd think it means Peter will choose who we know as fauxlivia, but I really don't fucking care. The more important thing is the baby [point finger in mouth to signify nausea here]. The baby is what will save the universes because it's a half-breed — created from Peter (who's from the alt universe) and "fauxlivia" (who's from our universe).

And that's as far as I've gotten on this.


ETA: I forgot to mention something that's bugging me. Why didn't Peter know who Olivia Dunham was the first time he met her in the pilot? In tonight's episode, Walter told young Peter her full name. Peter looked through her sketchbook and spent time with her in the tulip patch and it seemed pretty significant to him. Likewise, why didn't Olivia remember Walter when she first met him in the pilot episode? Am I forgetting something from episodes past about their memories being blocked?

ETA 2: In rewatching those last few scenes again, I realized I was confused about which universe we were in. I thought it was Olivia in Walter's office in our universe, but that scene actually started in the alternate universe and ended in ours. This doesn't mess up my theory at all and I'm still convinced about the Olivias swapping (though I'm worried the Olivias may have swapped a couple times, in which case we might not even know who's who). I need to rewatch this whole episode again. And this is the first episode in a very long time I've cared enough to rewatch :)

on 2011-02-26 05:02 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] devmackie.livejournal.com
Roxy! First things first: This ep produced cognitive-dissonance in me. It's the very first ep with no Anna Torv, so there was sadness about that. Yet the episode was otherwise stellar.

OK, here's the first problem I see with your theory: All of Olivia's super-capabilities are due to her treatment with cortexiphan, starting at age 3. The writers would have to retcon capabilities into AltLiv. Right? And they can't do that because they just established a few weeks ago that Walternate had no knowledge of anything like cortexiphan until he met adult Olivia.

Regarding the strangeness of none of them recognising one another as adults: You're right, something doesn't fit. Walter has the excuse of the brain surgery performed by William Bell, but we've seen no excuse for Olivia and Peter. Moreover, this episode rather messes up the theory that most people held to: That Olivia would have been too young to remember. She was three. Now, though, they've established that she was still in treatment at least until about 7-8!

One last thing: Thanks ever so much for making me think seriously about a show I (lately) want to beat about the face and neck and verbally vomit upon. You are an evil temptress.

on 2011-02-26 05:17 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxybisquaint.livejournal.com
It's the very first ep with no Anna Torv, so there was sadness about that. Yet the episode was otherwise stellar.

it didn't actually bother me since this was a total flashback episode. Olivia was there, it was just a younger version ;)


All of Olivia's super-capabilities are due to her treatment with cortexiphan, starting at age 3. The writers would have to retcon capabilities into AltLiv. Right?

Here's what I'm thinking: We recently learned that cortexiphan mimics a naturally occurring chemical reaction in the brain (or something like that). So maybe both Olivia's were actually born with this ability to cross over and the cortexiphan was really more of a short cut. It sped up the process, made it easier to tap into the ability.


this episode rather messes up the theory that most people held to: That Olivia would have been too young to remember. She was three. Now, though, they've established that she was still in treatment at least until about 7-8!

Oh, you know what? I just realized my theory actually explains some of that. If I'm right and the Olivia who we saw tonight crossed over and stayed on the other side, then the Olivia who met Peter in the pilot would've been meeting him for the first time. It doesn't explain why Peter wouldn't have remembered her, though, or why Olivia wouldn't have remembered Walter.

on 2011-02-26 05:29 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] devmackie.livejournal.com
it didn't actually bother me since this was a total flashback episode. Olivia was there, it was just a younger version

Yeah, that's why I specifically said 'Anna Torv'. But I appear to be the only one who's noticed, so ... whatever.

on 2011-02-26 05:38 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxybisquaint.livejournal.com
Oh LOL. You did say Anna Torv, but my mind totally read "Olivia". Yeah, no Anna Torv tonight, but it was fine with me since it was all flashback.

Also, sorry I screwed up my italic quoting above. I can't edit that now, so it'll have to stay a visually confusing mess :p

on 2011-02-26 08:12 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxybisquaint.livejournal.com
You are an evil temptress.

My temptressing just ran into a snag. I was thinking more on this and realized there's the *glowing* problem. Our Olivia can see things from the alternate universe glowing, right? But if she's actually from the other universe, wouldn't she see an aura around herself?

hmm. I hate when I hit a wall in a theory. I still feel like I'm onto something with the swapped Olivias idea, though. Maybe they'll just come up with some pseudo-sciencey explanation as to why Olivia can't see herself glowing.

Does this mean...

on 2011-02-26 05:28 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] zack stentz (from livejournal.com)
...you would have jumped of the TSCC train if Josh revealed that season 3 was going to be all about John and Cameron's half-human, half-Terminator baby being destined to broker peace between humanity and the machines? ;)

Re: Does this mean...

on 2011-02-26 10:15 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] cj2017.livejournal.com
Y'know, I don't need to watch Fringe any more, I can just be pissed off about it vicariously via your lj! I thought Liv was supposed to save the damn world, not love. Maybe they buggered up a typo and then just decided to run with it...stranger things have happened.

I'll stick with Forbrydelsen my Danish super!drama which is quietly continuing to be the finest show on television week after wonderful week (and has a heroine called Sarah, so obviously, I'm in love *g*)

As for this:
...you would have jumped of the TSCC train if Josh revealed that season 3 was going to be all about John and Cameron's half-human, half-Terminator baby being destined to broker peace between humanity and the machines? ;)

The way Born to Run was heading, I'm only half-sure that you're joking! I'd have been off the train at the first station although if S3 had gone with a present/future split, it would have made it easy to fast-forward through episodes to the bits I was actually interested in...

Re: Does this mean...

on 2011-02-26 10:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxybisquaint.livejournal.com
'know, I don't need to watch Fringe any more, I can just be pissed off about it vicariously via your lj! I thought Liv was supposed to save the damn world, not love.

Yeah Fringe has largely gone off the rails with the love thing (or they're doing a good job of faking us out for some reason), but this episode was outstanding — finally one that I could sink my teeth into and love. It's been far too long since that happened!


I'll stick with Forbrydelsen my Danish super!drama

I'll be... over here, not watching Danish TV.


The way Born to Run was heading, I'm only half-sure that you're joking! I'd have been off the train at the first station although if S3 had gone with a present/future split, it would have made it easy to fast-forward through episodes to the bits I was actually interested in...

I doubt that split would've lasted long. After a whole season of keeping the characters more or less in separate story arcs and largely at odds with one another, I think the actual time-split story would've been fairly short-lived. Either that or the final episode would've had this Sarah voiceover...

"The known future rolls toward us. I face it, for the first time, with a sense of despair. Because if a machine — a terminator, can seduce the savior of mankind... we're all fucked." ;)

Edited on 2011-02-26 10:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Does this mean...

on 2011-02-27 03:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] cj2017.livejournal.com
but this episode was outstanding — finally one that I could sink my teeth into and love. It's been far too long since that happened!

I've lost count of how many I've not seen now. Certainly none of the Friday eps. I don't actually miss it. I guess I kinda wanted another show to fall for after TSCC but Fringe wasn't it. It just leaves me cold.

I'll be... over here, not watching Danish TV.

*shrugs* Too bad for you. I hope some channel out there in USA-land airs the original not the remake and at least gives you guys the option. The show is so good it makes you evangelical, you need to go out there and spread the word to the masses! ;-)

I doubt that split would've lasted long.

Hmmm, not sure about that at all. I would like to think you're right but I have my suspicions... I think they liked the Future!War idea a lot, possibly too much. I'm guessing they had plans to spend a lot of time there...

LMAO at the voice over. Never a truer word was spoken m'dear.

on 2011-02-26 02:01 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] valhallalilly.livejournal.com
OMFG PETER DIED DID YOU SEE :P


/i have no idea what's going on.

on 2011-02-26 09:32 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxybisquaint.livejournal.com
My new weekly mission is to tweet an outrageous foiler at the start of the episode. It's my little way poking fun at the crazy live-tweeters who spoil every second of the episode :D

on 2011-02-26 08:16 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] starkiller-2011.livejournal.com
Yeah I don't think the Olivias were switched. The one that ended up here still had a black eye.

I think the stepfather is more the cause of their emotional differences than the experimentation. Faulivia was raised by her mother. Our Olivia's mother died when she was young, that's why she ended up with the abusive stepfather.

I think if Peter and Olivia only met that once, they wouldn't remember each other. I didn't remember the names or faces of other children I only spent one day with after even a year. I don't remember the names or faces of many teachers I spent all day with for a whole school year.

This may have taken place shortly before the cortexiphen program ended, I think Olivia is in her 30s now. I can easily imagine her forgetting Walter completely in all that time. She only remembered a little about the program after figuring out she was a part of it.


on 2011-02-26 10:13 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxybisquaint.livejournal.com
I don't think the Olivias were switched. The one that ended up here still had a black eye.

The reason Olivia still had the black eye is because we were still seeing the same Olivia (just in a different universe).

I'd thought the Olivia who was telling Walter about her father hitting her was in our universe, but after rewatching that part, I realized it started in the alternate universe and finished in our universe. That doesn't mess up my theory, though, and I still feel sure the Olivias have been in the wrong universes ever since that time.

How/why an Fauxlivia would be in Walternate's office in the alternate universe, I don't know. But do we actually know that Fauxlivia didn't have an abusive stepfather? There's certainly a lot of murkiness going on with Olivia at the end of this episode. I think we're supposed to be wondering if something's up. I'm just laying out my theory now instead of waiting for more reveals ;)

on 2011-02-26 10:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] starkiller-2011.livejournal.com
Watch it! If you guess too close they might name a 'red shirt' character after you.

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